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Better iso player? Kyrie Irving or James Harden

Better iso player? Kyrie Irving or James Harden

Note: Since most Iso stats only go as far as 2016 so that is far as my research will go.

Regular season Kyrie Irving James Harden
2015-2016 153 possessions

145 points

59/134 = 44%

Tov freq = 6.5

EFG% = 47.4

Score freq = 44.4%

Shooting foul freq = 7.2%

566 possessions

524 points

159/430 = 37%

Tov freq % = 10.4

EFG% = 43.4

Score freq % = 41.5

Shooting foul freq = 14.8%

2016-2017 367 possessions

412 points

149/317 = 47%

EFG % = 53.2

Tov freq % = 4.6

Score freq % = 49.6

Shooting foul freq = 10.6

552 possessions

537 points

157/421 = 37.3%

EFG %  45.5%

Tov freq %  = 10.3%

Score freq %  = 41.1%

Shooting foul freq = 14.1%

2017-2018 210 possessions

218 points

81/184 = 44%

EFG = 50.3%

Tov freq = 4.8%

Score freq = 46.2%

Shooting foul freq = 46.2%

720 possessions

877 points

251/567 = 44.3%

EFG = 55.2%

Tov freq = 4.7%

Score freq = 51%

Shooting foul freq = 18.2%

Thoughts: In the regular season Kyrie was more EFFICIENT and took care of the ball better, however James Harden with the benefit of superstar treatment was able to draw fouls easier. Still, Kyrie has the edge in most of those categories.

Playoffs Kyrie Irving James Harden
2015-2016 114 possessions

96 points

38/104 = 36.5%

EFG % = 40.9%

Tov freq = 3.5%

Score freq = 38.6%

Shooting foul freq = 6.1%

32 possessions

37 points

10/20 = 50%

EFG % = 55%

Tov freq = 9.4%

Score freq = 59.4%

Shooting foul freq = 28.1%

2016-2017 141 possessions

155 points

59/123 = 48%

EFG % = 56.5%

Tov freq = 7.1%

Score freq = 47.5%

Shooting foul freq = 5.7%

77 possessions

81 points

28/61 = 45.9%

EFG % = 56.6

Tov freq = 10.4%

Score freq = 44.2%

Shooting foul freq = 13%

2017-2018 Did Not Play 220 possessions

221 points

68/175 = 38.9%

EFG % = 46.6%

Tov freq = 9.1%

Score freq = 42.3%

Shooting foul freq = 14.5%

Thoughts: Sure Kyrie got less tovs in iso in the playoffs, but Harden scored more on a higher percentage and again his craftiness helped him have a higher chance of getting fouled on isolation plays. Overall in the playoffs I would say Harden was better on iso.

James Harden or Russell Westbrook?

James Harden or Russell Westbrook?

Note: Since certain stats weren’t around 5 yrs ago, I will compare the two based off the last 3 seasons.  Ever since the 2016-2017 NBA MVP race, the NBA community has been debating who the superior player was, both have great cases so it isn’t as easy to pick one as some may think it is.

OFFENSE

Scoring Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 25.4 ppg

9.5/21.1 = 44.9%

1.2/4.1 on 3s = 29.8%

5.3/7.1 on FTs = 73.7%

30.4 ppg

9/20.1 = 44.9%

3.7/ 10 on 3s = 37%

8.7/10 on FTs

2016-2017 31.6 ppg

10.2/24 = 42.5%

2.5/7.2 = 34.3%

8.8/10.4 = 84.5 %

29.1 ppg

8.3/18.9 = 44%

3.2/9.3 on 3s = 34.7%

9.2/10.9 on FTs

2015-2016 23.5 ppg

8.2/18.1 = 45.4%

1.3/ 4.3 = 29.6%

5.8/7.2 = 81.2%

29.0 ppg

8.7/19.7 = 43.9%

2.9/8.0 on 3s = 35.9%

8.8/10.2 on FTs = 86%

 

Midrange Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 211/530 = 39.8% 50/128 = 39.1%
2016-2017 216/595 = 36.3% 65/158 = 41.1%
2015-2016 144/336 = 42.9% 128/316 = 40.5%

 

Restricted Area Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 395/667 = 59.2% 281/450 = 62.4%
2016-2017 341/596 = 57.2% 275/420 = 65.5%
2015-2016 334/577 = 57.9% 277/456 = 60.7%

 

Catch and shoot Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 34/95 = 35.8%

26/76 on 3s = 34.2%

45/123 = 36.6%

44/120 on 3s = 36.7%

2016-2017 66/184 = 35.9%

54/155 on 3s = 34.8%

80/202 = 39.6%

77/195 on 3s = 39.5%

2015-2016 36/108 = 33.3%

32/96 on 3s = 33.3%

106/262 = 40.5%

104/251 on 3s = 41.4%

 

Pull up Jumpers Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 284/781 = 35.9%

63/225 on 3s = 28%

282/704 = 40.1%

213/549 on 3s = 38.8%

2016-2017 378/1006 = 37.6%

139/401 on 3s = 34.7%

269/740 = 36.4%

181/536 on 3s = 33.8%

2015-2016 243/643 = 37.8%

67/235 on 3s = 28.5%

281/731 = 38.4%

126/378 on 3s = 33.3%

 

Off Screen Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 25 points

9/20

45% FG

39 points

10/16

62.5% FG

2016-2017 50 points

18/39

46.2% FG

46 points

16/46

34.8% FG

2015-2016 21 points

9/18

50% FG

83 points

25/68

36.8% FG

 

Isolation Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 122/335 = 36.4%

7.5% tov frequency

38.8% score frequency

251/567 = 44.3%

4.7% tov frequency

51% score frequency

2016-2017 172/443 = 38.8%

6.0 TOV Frequency

41.5% score frequency

157/421 = 37.3=

10.3 tov frequency

41.1% score frequency

2015-2016 73/206 = 35.4%

11.8% tov frequency

35.4% score frequency

159/430 = 37%

10.2% tov frequency

41.5% score frequency

Thoughts: James Harden is the better scorer, he has that deadly step back, better shooter all around, he’s even better at finishing around the rim, Russ does have the edge in midrange Js and off screen points, but that’s it. Russ may score more points in a big game, but not efficiently.

Iso DEFENSE Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 46 points

15/45 = 33.3%

10.3% tov frequency

36.2% score frequency

91 points

35/96 = 36.5%

7.9% tov frequency

38.6% score frequency

2016-2017 51 points

20/47 = 42.6%

12.3% tov frequency

38.6% score frequency

86 points

25/67 = 37%

8.7% tov frequency

44.6% score frequency

2015-2016 49 points

20/51 = 39.2%

10% tov frequency

38.3% score frequency

78 points

28/87 = 32.2%

8.4% tov frequency

36.4% score frequency

 

Defensive efforts Russell Westbrook
2017-2018 265 deflections

174 loose balls recovered

281 contested shots

146 stls

104.4 DRTG

206 deflections

98 loose balls recovered

542 contested shots

126 steals

104.7 DRTG

2016-2017 231 deflections

113 loose balls recovered

296 contested shots

132 stls

104.6 DRTG

237 deflections

93 loose balls recovered

666 contested shots

121 steals

107.3 DRTG

Thoughts: Both get criticized for their lack of defense but when needed to get a key defensive stop, both are very capable of doing so. Russ is the better 1 on 1 defender, Harden does contest more shots but when Westbrook does hustle more on defense, it’s kinda close but I give Russ the edge.

 

Playmaking Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 10.3 apg

2.15 ast/tov ratio

33.2% usage rate

81 secondary assists

1586 potential asts

7492 touches

8.8 apg

2 ast/tov ratio

36.1% usage rate

56 secondary assists

1177 potential asts

6007 touches

2016-2017 10.4 apg

1.92 ast/tov ratio

40.8% usage rate

67 secondary assists

1810 potential asts

7679 touches

11.2 apg

1.95 ast/tov ratio

34.1% usage rate

66 secondary assists

1810 potential asts

7782 touches

2015-2016 10.4 apg

2.44 ast/tov ratio

31.3% usage rate

58 secondary assists

1561 potential asts

6927 touches

7.5 apg

1.64 ast/tov ratio

32.5% usage rate

58 secondary assists

1216 potential asts

6898 touches

Thoughts: Sure Westbrook is a point guard so he should be a better playmaker, however Harden basically has been one since 2013, both turn it over a lot but make it up with countless asts. It’s safe to say that as far as the numbers go and eye test, Westbrook is the better floor general. Sure Harden knows how to slow it down better, and is better at finding the open man, but Harden has better teammates shooting wise, in other words he has more snipers that are great at catch and shoot compared to some of Westbrook’s teammates.

Rebounding Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 10.1rpg

162 contested rebs

546 uncontested rebs

5.4 rpg

63 contested rebs

325   uncontested rebs

2016-2017 10.6 rpg

679 uncontested rebs

180 contested rebounds

8.1 rpg

500 uncontested rebs

154 contested rebounds

2015-2016 7.8 rpg

473 uncontested rebs

151 contested rebs

 

6.2 rpg

388 uncontested rebs

117 contested rebounds

Thoughts: Clearly Westbrook is the better rebounder even with a height disadvantage, both tend to stand there to get the reb and not defend their man, but that is because their team is better on the fastbreak when russ gets the reb as well as James. Once again Russ gets the edge.

Crunch time (last 2 mins game within 5) Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 94 points

34/83 = 41%

28 rebs

6 tovs

12 asts

50 points

13/37 = 35%

6 rebs

5 tovs

3 asts

2016-2017 136 points

42/101% 41%

25 rebs

8 asts

7 tovs

63 points

11/42 = 26%

17 rebs

10 asts

8 tovs

 

2015-2016 66 points

12/46 = 26%

22 rebs

13 asts

10 tovs

83 points

17/56

28 rebs 30%

20 asts

8 tovs

 

Thoughts: Clearly Westbrook is the better better in crunch time, outside 2016, Russ the past few years has been more efficient in big time moments. Even with a cold hand I trust Russ to take over a game than Harden eh2ose a deadly scorer……up until crunch time, no disrespect to James but he’s no closer, no shocker that Russ gets the edge.

Head to head stats Russell Westbrook James Harden
2017-2018 87 points

37/79 = 47%

17 rebs

28 asts

14 tovs

78 points

22/47 = 47%

17 rebs

34 asts

16 tovs

2016-2017 145 points

46/103 = 45%

36 rebs

37 asts

24 tovs

82 points

24/70 = 34%

29 rebs

49 asts

25 tovs

2015-2016 95 points

34/70 = 48%

43 rebs

49 asts

27 tovs

135 points

39/90 = 43%

23 rebs

35 asts

15 tovs

Thoughts: Sure HOU has beaten OKC more times (by 2) but that is a team stat and we’re looking at individual statistics something Russ has been superior at. Outscoring on a higher percentage and out rebounding James was no shocker as he is the better all around player.

Head to head playoffs Russell Westbrook James Harden
2016-2017 187   points (37.4ppg)

59/152 = 39%

58 rebs (11.6 rpg)

54 asts (10.8 apg)

30 tovs (6)

166 points (33.2ppg)

44/107= 41%

32 rebs (6.4 rpg)

35 asts (7 apg)

28 tovs (5.6)

Thoughts: Despite Harden having way more help, Russ who as you can see averaged a TRIPLE DUB which kept OKC close and 4/5 games were decided by single digits even though HOU was more stacked. Russ who was forced to chuck with limited help clear as day outplayed the MVP runner up all around.

Conclusion

Take it how you see it, numbers clearly point to Westbrook as he got the edge is just about every category, but if you think Harden is still the better player that’s fine.

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Each 2018 NBA All Star defender

Each 2018 NBA All Star defender

Written by Kevin Bartolotto.  April 27th, 2018.

Ever wondered who was the best Embiid defender or LeBron defender? Or maybe you even wondered who defended Russell Westbrook the best. Well, now you will know. (Note: minimum of 15 shots defended).

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  • Guards
    • Demar- Ingles 5/23, 0/2 on 3s
    • Beal – Crabbe 4/26, 1/5 on 3s
    • Dipo – Avery 6/21, 3/9 on 3s
    • Kyrie – Avery 4/18, 2/8 on 3s
    • Walker – Covington 4/17, 2/10 on 3s
    • GOATran – Bledsoe 6/22, 3/10 on 3s
    • Lowry- Schroeder 6/24, 3/18 on 3s
    • Klay- KCP 4/18, 3/13 on 3s
    • Russ- Danny 5/20, 0/5 on 3s
    • Curry- Rondo 4/15, 1/7 on 3s
    • Dame- Thornwell (who?) 4/15, 2/8 on 3s
    • Harden- Smart 2/17, 1/11 on 3s

Oklahoma City Thunder v Portland Trail Blazers

  • Forwards
    • PG13- J.rich 3/15
    • KD – James Johnson 5/16  3/10 on 3s
    • Giannis – James Johnson 6/18 2/3 on 3s
    • Lance – Thomas 5/15  0/0 on 3s
    • Anthony – Tolliver 5/15  0/1 on 3s
    • Bron – Pascal Siakam 4/16 1/5 on 3s
    • Jimmy – Demarre Carrol 5/16  0/3 on 3s
    • AD – Marvin Williams 6/16  1/3 on 3s
    • Love – Horford 4/16  1/5 on 3s
    • Porzingis – Horford 5/22  0/3 on 3s
    • Dray – Davis  5/13 1/6 on 3s
    • Aldridge – T.Young 8/23  0/2 on 3s

San Antonio Spurs v Minnesota Timberwolves

  • Centers
    • KAT – Randle 7/18  2/4 on 3s
    • Horford – Ollynk 2/12  0/2 on 3s
    • Embiid – Jahil 3/16 0/5 on 3s
    • Drummond – Dwight  8/22
    • Boogie – M. Gasol 6/20  3/8 on 3s

What are your thoughts on the Stats?

Is J Rich (Josh Richardson) NBA 1st Defensive Team?

Is J Rich (Josh Richardson) NBA 1st Defensive Team?

Written by Kevin Bertalotto.  April 26, 2018.

In case you’ve been sleeping on Miami as has everyone and is unaware of who Josh Richardson is, he’s the Heat’s starting shooting guard who played 81 games and believe me when I tell you it is a lot closer than majority thinks.

Guarding their man:

Victor Oladipo on defense held his man to 45.1% shooting, 373/834. Josh Richardson on defense held his man to 41.6% shooting, 370/890 total.

imagesGeneral defensive stats

J Rich allowed 7.6 fast break ppg and 8.1 2nd chance ppg. Mr. Oladipo allowed 8.5 fast break ppg and 9.3 2nd chance ppg. Although Dipo was a better Iso defender, J.rich has shut down more notable players.

Big names Dipo locked up (min. 10 fga)

  1. Klay 3/11 27%
  2. Booker 4/15 27%
  3. CJ 6/18 33%
  4. Lou Will 4/12 33%

Big names J Rich locked up (min 10 fga)

  1. Demar 9/24 37%
  2. Dipo 7/22 32%
  3. Wiggins 5/20 25%
  4. Pg13 3/15 20%
  5. Wall 4/12 33%
  6. Lou Will 4/12 33%
  7. Kemba 6/15 40%
  8. Klay 6/15 40%

As you can see Richardson has put the clamps on more notable players which certainly means something.  As said before it is close but Josh has a slight advantage with his height and uses that to his full advantage, Oladipo most certainly can make a legit case, but I gotta ride with J Rich on this one.

Bam Adebayo, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington