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Lonzo Ball Vs Jason Kidd!! Better Rookie??

Comparison between Lonzo Ball and Jason Kidd were a constant topic through out last year season.  So lets take a look like some numbers and see how close or how far they are from each other.  or if the comparison just nonsense.

Better individual rookie season?

Scoring Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         10.2ppg

·         3.9/10.8 FGs (36%)

·         1.7/5.7 on 3s (30.5%)

·         .6/1.4 FTs (45.1%)

·         -.5 offensive win shares

·         97 ORTG

·         11.7ppg

·         4.2/10.8 FGs (38.5%)

·         .9/3.3 on 3s (27.2%)

·         2.4/3.5 FTs (69.8%)

·         1.1 offensive win shares

·         103 ORTG

 

Shooting Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         203/564 on FGAs

·         90/295 on 3s

·         32/71 on FTs

·         80/167 (47.9%)on Restricted Area

·         20/60 (33%) in paint non R.A.

·         14/43 (32.6%)  from midrange

·         330/857 on FGAs

·         70/257 on 3s

·         192/275 on FTs

Comments: Clearly neither one could shoot in their rookie year, it sucks certain shooting stats are unavailable for Kidd’s rookie season, but based off the stats available for both, Kidd offensively had the edge.

Playmaking Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         7.2apg

·         2.6 tovs

·         17.4% usage rate

·         7.7apg

·         3.2 tovs

·         19% usage rate

Thoughts: Jason Kidd had 2 20+point

teammates, Zo had none, but did turn it over less per game, Kidd back then likely had the higher court vision as a rookie but considering who they had, I would say Lonzo was a bit more impressive.

Rebounding Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         6.9rpg

·         1.3 offensive rebs

·         5.6 defensive rebs

·         5.4rpg

·         1.9 offensive rebs

·         3.5 defensive rebs

Comments: Both had decent rebounding teammates, Zo did have a bit of a height advantage by 2 inches, but the edge goes to Lonzo.

 

Defense Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         1.7stls

·         .8blks

·         2.5 defensive win shares

·         106 DRTG

·         1.9stls

·         .3blks

·         2.6 defensive win shares

·         109 DRTG

Thoughts: It’s close, but considering Lonzo had to guard more elite pgs than Kidd did, the edge might have to go to Ball.

Awards? Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2017-2018 Lonzo

1994-1995 Kidd

·         all rookie 2nd team ·         Co-ROY

·         all rookie 1st Team

·         1x rookie of the month

Comments: Ball did have much tougher comp than Kidd to win ROY, but clearly Kidd had more “awards” than Zo during his rookie season.

Conclusion

It is unfortunate Lonzo Ball was only limited to 52 games, but statistically Lonzo did have better season, sure Kidd was Co-ROY while Ball wasn’t even top 3 in ROY voting, again one’s comp to win it was much tougher. Pretty close, but I believe Lonzo was the better rookie

Who Would You Take As A Rookie??

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Least Clutch Player Since 1997

Have you ever wondered who was the worst in 4th Q crunch time offensively? Well, in case you have, now you will finally get your question answered.

Note: Minimum of 50 attempts

  1. 14 Jenning (DET)- 12/56 (21.4%) 5/26 on 3s. Not surprising Brandon Jennings after looking at his shooting percentages.
  2. 04 Sheed (DET)- 12/54 (22.2%) 2/17 on 3s. Rasheed Wallace being this high shocked me, but he wasn’t known for clutch so 🤷‍♂️.
  3. 14 Knight (MIL)- 15/64 (23.4%) 3/17 on 3s. What can we say about Brandon Knight, he’s known to have bad luck so for him being top 3 doesn’t surprise me.
  4. 10 Mayo (MEM)- 16/66 (24.2%) 6/31 on 3s. In his defense it was OJ Mayo’s second season.
  5. 01 Marbury (NJN)- 16/65 (24.5%) 5/21 on 3s. Stephon Marbury was ballin that season but not in 4th Q crunch time.
  6. 03 Kidd (NJN)- 16/64 (25%) 3/24 on 3s. This was the year Jason Kidd led the Nets to the Finals.
  7. 97 Ellis (DEN)- 16/63 (25.4%) 6/34 on 3s. At age 36 Dale Ellis found himself struggling offensively in crunch time.
  8. 18 Tyreke (MEM)- 14/55 (25.5%) 5/18 on 3s. The arguably most improved player Tyreke Evans sure improved from the previous year, but not in pressure moments.

08 Ricky D (MIA)- 13/51 (25.5%) 9/24 on 3s. Ricky Davis is now in Ice Cube’s basketball league, the Big 3.

9.11 Jennings (MIL)- 16/62 (25.8%) 3/19 on 3s. Once again Brandon Jennings has now  found himself on this list twice.

  1. 08 Pierce (BOS)- 13/50 (26%) 2/10 on 3s  To see a Finals MVP like Paul Pierce on this list is shocking.

00 Bibby (VAN)- 13/50 (26%) 2/8 on 3s.  In just his second season Mike Bibby, son of Henry Bibby had a solid season offensively, just not in crunch time.

97 Sprewell- 13/50 (26%) 3/12 on 3s. Yes this was the same year Latrell Sprewell choked his coach PJ Carlesimo.

Honorable mentions???

01 Antoine W (BOS)- 19/72 (26.4%) 9/37 on 3s

12 B.Jennings- 20/74 (27%) 6/30 on 3s

11 D.Cousins (SAC)- 16/59 (27.1%) 0/2 on 3s

08 Jamal C.- 22/81 (27.2%) 7/25 on 3s

00 L.Sprewell- 15/55 (27.3%) 1/9 on 3s

16 B.Knight- 14/51 (27.5%) 4/21 on 3s

04 Eddie J- 14/51 (27.5%) 7/31 on 3s

18 Melo (OKC)-19/68 (27.9%) 6/33 on 3s

Who will be one guy that you wouldn’t want to take the last shot? Who did we miss?

Ben Simmons vs Jayson Tatum

Ben Simmons vs Jayson Tatum

Note: Personally I find it ridiculous to ask which is the better individual considering it’s not even close, but to shut these haters up, it’s time we end this debate with undeniable facts.

Scoring pt.1 Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2016-2017
  • 15.8ppg
  • 6.7/12.3 FGs = 54.5%
  • 2.4/4.3 FTs= 56%
  • 13.9ppg
  • 5/10.4 FGs = 47.5%
  • 2.7/3.2 FTs = 82.6%
  • 1.3/3.0 on 3s = 43%
Scoring pt.2 Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 229/429 (46.5%) on drives
  • 21/70 (30%) on post ups
  • 125/176 (71%) in the paint
  • 139/351 (39.6%) in paint non R.A.
  • 30/108 (27.8%) from midrange
  • 2/12 (16.7%) off catch and shoot
  • 64/194 (33%) on pull ups
  • 47/95 (49.5%) on Iso
  • 111 ortg
  • 4.2 offensive win shares
  • 55.7% True shooting %
  • 34 .4% of FGMs came off an ast
  • 101/225 (44.9%) on drives
  • 13/34 (38.2%) on post ups
  • 43/66 (65.2%) in the paint
  • 22/79 (27.8%) in paint non R.A.
  • 93/213 (43.7%( from midrange
  • 93/195 (47.7%) from midrange
  • 107/266 (40.2%) on pull ups
  • 35/95 (38.5%) on Iso
  • 111 ortg
  • 3 offensive win shares
  • 58.6% True shooting %
  • 34% of FGMs came off an ast

Thoughts: Jayson overall is the better scorer since he can score in more ways, but Ben did average more points while being more efficient, and before you say “Ben was mostly guarded by smaller point guards” let me pull out this stat, of the 31 different  players to defend Ben on at least 50 possessions, ONLY TWO were pgs (Dunn and Jrue who made all Defensive 1st Team)

Playmaking Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 8.2apg
  • 17.1 potential asts per  game
  • 2.38 ast/tov ratio
  • 74.1 made passes per game.
  • 22.2 % usage rate
  • 4.45 secs per touch
  • 95 touches per game
  • generated 1621 points by asts.
  • 1.6apg
  • 3.1 potential asts per game
  • 1.12 ast/tov ratio
  • 27.8 made passes per game
  • 19.6% usage rate
  • 2.53 secs per touch
  • 42.7 touches per game
  • generated 317 points by asts.

Comments: How many 6’10 dudes can facilitate like Ben? Based off eye tests and stats, Simmons appears to be the far superior playmaker, obviously Tatum wasn’t asked or needed to be their main playmaker but that’s not Ben’s fault.

 

Rebounding Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 8.1rpg
  • 1.8 offensive rebs
  • 6.3 defensive rebs
  • 1.8 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 7.4ft
  • 5.0 rpg
  • .6 offensive rebs
  • 4.4 defensive rebs
  • 1.0 contested reb
  • avg reb distance: 6.9ft

Thoughts: Despite playing on the league’s best rebounding team (BOS was 6th), Ben whose about 2 inches taller grabbed a lot more boards of all kind, it is super obvious Simmons won this category.

DEFENSE Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 221 deflections
  • 146 loose balls (2.9) recovered (1.8)
  • 660 contested shots (8.2)
  • Held his man to 384/925 shooting (41.5%)
  • guarding the 2s: 270/550 (49%)
  • guarding the 3s: 114/374 (30.5%)
  • On Iso D: 33/93 (35.5%)
  • 5.0 defensive win shares
  • guarded 28 diff players on at least 50 possessions
  • 135 deflections (1.7)
  • 68 loose balls recovered (.8)
  • 509 contested shots (6.4)
  • Held his man to 273/628 shooting (43.5%)
  • guarding the 2s: 178/366 (48.6%)
  • guarding the 3s: 95/262 (36.3%)
  • On Iso D: 35/95 (36.8%)
  • 4.0 defensive win shares
  • guarded 19 diff players on at least 50 possessions

Comments: Ben is the more versatile defender, the numbers show who played better defense and hustled more, certain defensive stats are close like Iso D, but who leads most those stats? Yup, Ben does.

4th Q crunch time Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 128 mins
  • 69pts
  • 21/32 shooting (65.6%)
  • 27/48 on FTs (56.3%)
  • 25 rebs
  • 23 asts
  • 10 tovs
  • 12 steals, 2 blks
  • 44 +/-
  • 124 mins
  • 72pts
  • 28/44 shooting (63.6%)
  • 10/12 on FTs = 83.3%)
  • 22 rebs
  • 7 asts
  • 10 tovs
  • 3 steals, 6 blks
  • 4 +/-

Thoughts: As you can see, Ben has the edge in all around game, for scoring I’ll take Tatum to take the shot, was 6/9 on crunch time 3s, having said that, overall Ben was more useful or valuable in crunch time than Jayson was.

Playoffs Ben Simmons Jayson Tatum
2017-2018
  • 16.3ppg
  • 6.1/12.5 = 48.8%
  • 4.1 / 5.8 FTs = 70.7%
  • 9.4 rebs
  • 7.2 asts
  • 1.7 stls, .8 blks
  • 4.4 tovs

Comments: Yes, versus Brad Stevens’s Celtics Ben Simmons did struggle which is not super shocking considering Brad is a great defensive minded coach, but when you look at what he did versus Miami round one, you’ll be impressed. While guarded by underrated defenders like Winslow, Josh Richardson and James Johnson he shot 52%, and averaged 18, 10.6, and 9 asts, almost a triple double! Ben that round led Philly in rebs, asts and steals per game and was their 3rd leading scorer. Tatum in round one versus the Milwaukee Bucks was his team’s 4th leading scorer, Terry Rozier outscored Jayson for crying out loud, the only thing Tatum led his team in that series was steals.

Conclusion

One last stat, Ben’s Player Efficiency Rating was 20 to Tatum’s 15.3 What you want to do with this information is entirely up to you, having said that, I do believe it’s quite clear which one should be ranked higher than the other.

Who do you think is better??

 

Hassan Whiteside vs Andre Drummond

Hassan Whiteside vs Andre Drummond

Note: Before I do my research I already know  it’s gonna be pretty close.

Scoring pt.1 Hassan Whiteside Andre Drummond
2017-2018
  • 14ppg
  • 5.8/10.7 = 54% FG
  • 2.4/3.4 = 70% FTs
  • 33.7 touches per game
  • 15ppg
  • 6/11.3 = 52.9% FG
  • 3.1 /5.1 = 60.5% FT
  • 52.3 touches per game
2016-2017
  • 17ppg
  • 7/12.6 = 55.7% FG
  • 2.9/4.6 = 62.8%
  • 37.4 touches per game
  • 13.6ppg
  • 6/11.2 = 53% FG
  • 1.7/4.4 = 38.6% FT
  • 38.3 touches per game
2015-2016
  • 14.2ppg
  • 5.7/9.3 = 60.6% FG
  • 2.9/4.5 = 65% FT
  • 34.8 touches per game
  • 16.2ppg
  • 6.8/13.1 = 52% FG
  • 2.6/7.2 = 35.5% FT
  • 38.6 touches per game

 

Scoring pt.2 Hassan Whiteside Andre Drummond
2017-2018
  • 197/284 (69.4%) in Restricted Area
  • 78/190 (41%) in paint non R.A.
  • 35/102 (34.3%) from midrange.
  • 58.9% of FGMs were off an ast.
  • 396/629 (63%) in Restricted Area
  • 63/216 (28.7%) in paint non R.A.
  • 8/25 (32%) from midrange
  • 54.5% of FGMs came off an ast
2016-2017
  • 384/494 (69.6%) in Restricted Area
  • 141/327 (43.1%) in paint non R.A.
  • 57/152 (37.5%) from midrange
  • 58.4% of FGMs came off an ast.
  • 320/488 (65.6%) in Restricted Area
  • 121/310 (39%) in paint non R.A
  • 40/106 (37.7%) from midrange
  • 60.2% of FGMs came off an ast
2015-2016
  • 282/379 (74.4%) in Restricted Area
  • 82/184 (44.6%) in paint non R.A.
  • 49/119 (41.2%) from midrange
  • 61.6 % of FGMs came off an ast
  • 398/668 (59.6%) in Restricted Area
  • 136/222 (42.2%) in paint non R.A.
  • 16/64 (25%) from midrange
  • 53% of FGMs came off an ast

Comments: Andre did score more than Hassan sure, but who scored more efficiently? Hassan who also shot better from midrange, in the paint non R.A., also shot a higher percentage from the restricted area. Although Whiteside did have better playmakers feeding him the ball (Wade and Dragic) compared to Andre’s playmakers (Reggie Jackson and Ish Smith?), also Whiteside at the foul line was decent, while Drummond was horrible.

Rebounding Hassan Whiteside Andre Drummond
2017-2018
  • 11.4rpg
  • 3.2 offensive rebs
  • 8.2 defensive rebs
  • 4.9 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 3.8ft.
  • 16rpg
  • 5.1 offensive rebs
  • 10.9 defensive rebs
  • 7.1 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 4ft
2016-2017
  • 14.1rpg
  • 3.8 offensive rebs
  • 10.3 defensive rebs
  • 6.4 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 3.8ft.
  • 13.8rpg
  • 4.5 offensive rebs
  • 9.3 defensive rebs
  • 6.5 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 4ft
2015-2016
  • 11.8rpg
  • 3.3 offensive rebs
  • 8.5 defensive rebs
  • 5.7 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 4.1ft.
  • 14.8rpg
  • 4.9 offensive rebs
  • 9.9 defensive rebs
  • 7.3 contested rebs
  • avg reb distance: 3.8ft

Thoughts: Drummond has the led the league in rebounds 2 times to Hassan’s one, averaged more offensive rebounds  each year of the three, grabbed more contested rebounds along with more defensive rebounds, it is quite obvious Andre> Whiteside as a rebounder.

DEFENSE Hassan Whiteside Andre Drummond
2017-2018
  • 1.7 blocks
  • Opponents made: 271/577 (47%) on HW
  • guarding the 2s: 240/505 (47.5%)
  • guarding the 3s: 31/72 (43%)
  • Iso D: 14/27 (51.9%)
  • contested 9.6 shots per game
  • Opponents shot 152/271 (56%) at the rim
  • 99 DRTG
  • 3 defensive win shares
  • 1.4 blocks
  • Opponents made: 481/985 (48.8%) on AD
  • guarding the 2s: 411/812 (50.6%)
  • guarding the 3s: 70/173 (40.5%)
  • Iso D: 27/51 (52.9%)
  • contested 11.2 shots per game
  • Opponents shot 268/448 (59.8%) at the rim
  • 99 DRTG
  • 5.7 defensive win shares
2016-2017
  • 2.1 blocks
  • Opponents made: 459/999 (45.9%) on HW
  • guarding the 2s: 415/869 (47.8%)
  • guarding the 3s: 44/130 (33.8%)
  • Iso D: 16/46 (34.8%)
  • contested 11.1 shots per game
  • Opponents shot: 225/433 (52%) at the rim
  • 100 DRTG
  • 5.3 defensive win shares
  • 1.1 blocks
  • Opponents made: 466/903 (51.6%) on AD
  • guarding the 2s: 421/773 (54.5%)
  • guarding the 3s: 45/130 (34.6%)
  • Iso D: 28/58 (48.3%)
  • contested 9.2 shots per game
  • Opponents shot: 226/356 (63.5%) at the rim.
  • 99 DRTG
  • 5.3 defensive win shares
2015-2016
  • 3.7 blocks
  • Opponents made 488/1056 (46.2%) on HW
  • guarding the 2s: 470/993 (47.3%)
  • guarding the 3s: 18/63 (28.6%)
  • Iso D: 20/42 (47.6%)
  • Opponents shot: 253/467 (54.2%) at the rim
  • 95 DRTG
  • 5.3 defensive win shares
  • 1.6 blocks
  • Opponents made: 558/1111 (50.2%) on AD
  • guarding the 2s: 516/1016 (50.8%)
  • guarding the 3s: 42/95 (44.2%)
  • Iso D: 25/58 (43%)
  • Opponents shot 283/482 (58.7%) at the rim
  • 98 DRTG
  • 5.5 defensive win shares

Comments: Hassan does the edge in more categories including shot blocking, defense on isolation, defending 3s and 2s, rim protection, and defensive rating, oh yeah, Hassan made all Defensive 2nd team in 2016, Andre Drummond has never made any all Defensive teams before.

4th Q crunch time Hassan Whiteside Andre Drummond
2017-2018
  • 70 mins
  • 30pts
  • 13/21 FGs (61.9%)
  • 4/7 FTs (57%)
  • 31 rebs
  • 4 blocks
  • 110 mins
  • 47pts
  • 21/38 FGs (55.3%)
  • 5/10 FTs (50%)
  • 46 rebs
  • 9 blocks
2016-2017
  • 123 mins
  • 42pts
  • 16/30 FGs ( 53%)
  • 10/16 FTs (62.5%)
  • 43 rebs
  • 4 blocks
  • 76 mins
  • 30pts
  • 12/17 FGs (70.6%)
  • 6/15 FTs (40%)
  • 32 rebs
  • 3 blocks
2015-2016
  • 85 mins
  • 43pts
  • 16/21 FGs (76.2%)
  • 11/19 FTs (57.9%)
  • 42 rebs
  • 10 blocks
  • 96 mins
  • 52pts
  • 17/26 FGs (65.4%)
  • 18/46 FTs (39%)
  • 39 rebs
  • 4 blocks

Thoughts: Andre did score more points, grabbed more rebs (1 more), but Hassan did shoot better from the foul line, had a higher percentage on field goals, blocked more shots as well.

Conclusion

In my opinion, it is pretty clear Hassan> Andre Drummond, based off the provided unbiased information. Who do YOU believe is the better individual?

 

Suns: Ryan Anderson, De’Anthony Melton!! Rockets: Marquese Chriss, Brandon Knight!! Who won?

Suns: Ryan Anderson, De’Anthony Melton!! Rockets: Marquese Chriss, Brandon Knight!! Who won?

The Rockets have (finally) dealt Ryan Anderson to a different team. The rumors regarding dealing Anderson have gone back as far as last summer. The Suns have now acquired two Rockets players in Anderson and Ariza to pair in with their young core. The Rockets add some youth in Chriss and another guard into the mix of the rotation. Who Won?

The Phoenix Suns.

The Suns are quietly trending up and phasing out of the rebuilding stage. The team is looking to put the wheels in motion in to winning. As the NBA transitions into a trigger happy 3 point shooting league, the Suns seem to have a plan for their young guys. Anderson and Ariza, while past their primes, are both prime examples of players that live by the 3 point shot. At their primes, Anderson shot lights out as a stretch 4 and Ariza excelled as a 3 and D player. 20160309__5b3b6e73f8156f0b920f6a706700f160p1.jpg

In other words, it can be said that the Suns got some of the best teachers to help them transition into a shoot first team. Anderson made 131 3s last season while Ariza made 170 3s, the Suns were last on 3 point percentage and had a total of 763 made 3s. This guys can shoot, the plan is to pass it on to the young core.

Think about this Nonsense for Phoenix:

Starters: Booker, Jackson, Ariza, Anderson, Ayton

Bench: Canaan/Daniels, Bridges, Warren, Bender, Chandler

Other: Holmes will give quality minutes. It is still to be seeing what Melton, Okobo and some of the other Suns guard will bring to the table.

HOLD UP! Booker at the 1?? The Suns are taking players from the Rockets why not take the formula that was used on Harden and used it on Booker. The goal for new coach Kokoskov should be to start with a veteran crew and work in the young guys like Bridges and Bender for ultimate success.

The Suns are going to be fun to watch.

The Rockets get Chriss, Knights and an agreement that says that they don’t have to pay Anderson as much. While the Suns got better for the Rockets it was a business deal. The Rockets are committed to Anthony, no Anderson means more minutes and shots for Anthony. While Chriss brings in youth to the Rockets, Knight doesn’t have a place in this team. Rockets could have been blinded by the obsession to get rid of Anderson and didn’t see the potential of Knight being more a burden.

The Rockets did not get better with this trade in terms of personnel. But what it does open is the ability to pull the plug by the NBA trade deadline. D’Antoni knows that last year was his best chance and the team blew it. Whether Harden disappearance act or Chris Paul injury (or choke), this team may be getting desperate.

Writer’s Nonsense Notes.

  • Anderson took and made more 3s than he did free throws. 131 and 204 3s made to 72 and 204 free throws made.
  • I have been saying this since last year, the Rockets will be define by the fact whether they can beat the Warriors or not and nothing else matters. And I don’t think they can do it.
  • The Rockets are what the Indiana Pacers were to the Miami Heat.

Who do you think won the trade??

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